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Been spending time on Google Earth and my map software.  Have Saturday bonus camp, and Sunday-Tuesday pretty well laid out for routes.  Still need to type up all the GPS coordinates, but making progress.  We're gonna get one hell of a tour.

Monday is shaping up to be a long day.  Toroweap and back.  No good campsites out there unfortunately, and if you use the campground, you gotta make reservations.   That'll be a 160+ mile day.  Tuesday will be awesome - have 5 overlooks on the agenda along with the fabled FR250 cutoff between them.  Camping will be on the edge that night at one of two points, depending on time.

Next to lay out - Point Sublime on Wednesday and a trip across SR67 over to the east side of the Kaibab Plateau for camping.  Then two more days to lay out.   One of the challenges in not prerunning is estimating time for distance, but the three weeks I've spent up there in previous years should hopefully help that some. 

Epic AZ Run is Epic.

More to come. Once trail guides are ready I'll share so you GPS nuts can get waypoints uploaded.

Need a GPS nut to volunteer to run point.  Who's it gonna be?    Will only have waypoints to go by and not mileage this time, as I'm not able to prerun.

Camp Monday night is shaping up to be in Lookout Canyon if you all want to google or play on the maps to see where that is.   That's several miles of 2 track that could be interesting if it rains.  Google earth shows multiple mudholes on that one.

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When are you planning on doing it?

It has been 25+ years since I went to Toroweap, but it seems like it was about a 2 hour drive.  I ruined a tire o the way in.  Tis an easy gravel road. 

My map doesn't have the mileage/distance on it.

My memory tells me that your FR takes longer...but the map shows me that that can hardly be the case.

Pt Sublime is really neat...I knew a guy that went there in his Accord.

Got another day laid out after staring at my NatGeo map software and google earth yesterday.  We will hit ALL the points on the western side of the plateau.    Bragging rights!  haha

I also have a design for this year's Tshirts.  Just need to get a sticker done and I'll start taking preorders for those, likely in April.   I'm also targeting mid April to have the itinerary complete.  It will be chock full of GPS waypoints that you tech heads can plug in and map out the routes.

Getting excited about this!

Current status of the Fuller Fire.

They are hoping to lift access restrictions soon but this is where they currently stand, which may negatively impact trail access.

Open:Highway 67; North Rim Visitor Center, Lodge and Campground; Fuller Canyon Road; Point Imperial and Cape Royal Roads; Cape Royal Trail; Cape Final Trail; Cliff Springs Trail; and FSR 22 and Rainbow Rim Trail on the Kaibab National Forest.

Closures: These closures are in place until further notice. All USFS areas east of Highway 67 and south of Tater Ridge Rd (FSR 213) and east of House Rock Valley Rd (FSR 8910). Trails: Arizona Trail: Lindberg Hill north to the Park boundary; Ken Patrick Trail: starting at the Uncle Jim Trail junction; Point Imperial Trail; Nankoweap Trail; Saddle Mountain Trail; and South Canyon Trail. Road closures include: FSR 610 and FSR 611. All closures remain in place until further notice.

I'll keep an eye on it and pipe up again as we get closer to the run.

Thanks for these updates, Georgie.  This could affect the Thursday/Friday routes and the Thursday night camp site.  We may have to improvise.  I'll get into the maps when I get a chance to find these roads and see how much of our route is impacted.

We have a few weeks to get things back open.  Burning over by Nankoweep hurts my heart because it was so beautiful over there.

Yeah, Thursday and Friday's routes are currently impacted. The trails leading up to and including these points:

  • Marble Canyon
  • Marble Point
  • Dog Point

These three points and their trails are within the restriction boundaries of the map on Inciweb. They put out a notice and a map. It's a smoldering type of fire in that area and is about 47% contained at the moment. Point Imperial is just outside the restriction map.



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Looks like they shrunk the area but Dog Point, Marble Point and Marble Canyon are still inside the boundary, in effect until August 31st. 

Closure Map

Revised closure order 8-4-16

Incident: Fuller Fire Wildfire Released: 4 hrs. ago

Order Number: 07-16-10-F





Pursuant to 16 U.S.C. 551 and Title 36 CFR 261.50 (a) and/or (b), the following acts are prohibited in areas as described in this Order on National Forest System lands administered by the Kaibab National Forest, North Kaibab Ranger District in Coconino County in the State of Arizona. The restricted area is depicted on the attached map, hereby incorporated into this Order as Exhibit A.


  1. Being in an area, 36 CFR 261.53(e)
  2. Being on a trail, 36 CFR 261.55(a)
  3. Being on the road, 36 CFR 261.54(e)


Pursuant to 36 CFR 261.50 (e), the following persons are exempt from this order:

  1. Any Federal, State, or local officer, or member of an organized rescue or fire fighting force in the performance of an official duty; and,
  2. Persons with a permit specifically authorizing the otherwise prohibited act or omission.


The Boundary of this area closure starts east of Hwy 67 at the junction of FR 610 and FR 611, heading northeast where the junction of FR611 and the North Canyon Trail intersect, continuing on the North Canyon Trail to the Trailhead on FR 631, then south on FR 631 to the junction with FR 445A, then northeast along FR 445A to the junction with FR 8910, then southeast along FR8910 to the Forest boundary with Grand Canyon National Park and following this boundary south and west to FR 610 “This Order only affects National Forest System Lands.”


This order is needed for public safety due to the Fuller Fire.


  1. This Order will be in effect when signed and shall remain in effect until August 31, 2016, or until rescinded, whichever event occurs first.

Done at Williams, Arizona, this 3rd day of August, 2016.

Heather C. Provencio_


Forest Supervisor

Kaibab National Forest

Violation of this Order is punishable as a Class B misdemeanor by a fine of not more than $5,000.00 for individuals and $10,000.00 for organizations, or imprisonment for not more than six (6) months, or both. [Title 16 USC 551, Title 18 USC 3885, Title 18 USC 3571, and Title 18 USC 3581].


Contacted Kiabab Ranger District. They expect the area to remain closed to access for quite a while and are not expecting to lift the restrictions during our time frame. The roads that make up the Fuller Fire restriction boundary are also off-limits, so we will not be able to access planned destination on Thursday of Friday. So, we do need a plan B.

On the bright side, there are currently NO fire restriction in the Kiabab National Forest, so we can have a campfire!

I was told only FR610 and FR219 are actually closed, rendering our Thursday night camp unreachable.  So we'll camp at Dog Point (a Friday morning destination) on Thurs instead.  Kind of a bummer, as I was looking forward to Marble Point - that would have been our highest elevation camp, but we'll adapt and overcome.

From waypoint 139, we'll skip Waypoints 140-145.  Use the Friday morning navigation from Waypoint 139 to get to Dog Point for our Thursday night Camp.  That just means that maybe we'll sleep in a bit on Friday since the Friday route is now shorter

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